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Title: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: Joseph Girty on January 03, 2015, 11:13:54 AM
i was wondering what the steps are for creating a character? so far i got.

import mesh
build skeleton
assign vertices
create poses/animations
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: DomReardon on January 04, 2015, 01:10:08 AM
Seems like you've done everything you need to in Animator. I guess the next thing you'll want to do is create a script for your character and bring him/her into the editor. Not being a good programmer, I usually start out by modifying an existing script, initially just replacing the model, then adding functions. Eventually replacing this Frankenstein script with something built from scratch.
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: Joseph Girty on January 04, 2015, 08:23:30 AM
What about the hit boxes? What is calculate boxes and calculate normals. What is prepare model? Are these things important?
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: DomReardon on January 04, 2015, 01:27:21 PM
Depends what you want from your character. Hit boxes, for example, can be useful if you're making an FPS and you want different animations, or different amounts of damage dealt for head shots, body shots, leg shots etc. But they're not necessary. Normals are a whole big can of worms, but yeah, they are important. If you're not familiar with what normals actually are, you'll probably want to do a bit of research into what they are and how they work. You can set the Animator to 'Show Normals' whith one of the buttons along the top, and you'll see a bunch of magenta lines sticking out of your model, basically (and hopefully someone will correct me if I'm explaining this wrong) they show the direction from which a polygon will be viewed, so they should be sticking out towards the viewer, not in away from the viewer. Normals effect lighting and in some cases a poly with the normal facing away from the camera will be culled and not show up at all. Fixing normals is a wee bit fiddly, but ultimately you will want to do it. Then there's normal maps, which can make a low poly model look like a high poly model, this is an ace thing, but something you would do in your modelling application, not in Dim3. Can't quite remember exactly what Prepare Model does, think it's for calculating the size of the bounding box the model occupies, for collisions etc.
Hope this helps, let me know if it's not making sense to you.
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: ggadwa on January 05, 2015, 07:46:32 AM
DomReardon is pretty much right on.  Getting normals right is a pain and probably best that the object you import has good normals to start with, but without good normals, none of the GPU effects will render right -- things like bump mapping and specular highlights.  And in certain places, you'll just see the polygon disappear.
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: Joseph Girty on January 05, 2015, 03:40:34 PM
I know about normals. If the normals are wrong you will see holes through your model or it will appear inside out. Happens if you build your polygons counter clockwise OR how one program reads the other... i was just wondering what all the steps were so i could finish up my importing models tutorials... (not sure if anybody watched them yet. been posting them on youtube.)

So if you import a wall model or a chair it will automaticly have collision. you don't have to set up a hit box for each object.
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: `teh1 on January 05, 2015, 07:36:37 PM
2, Normals are best tracked and maintained as you are creating your model in your program of choice be it blender, c4d, wings, etc. As long as you make sure your OBJ export to Dim3 has the correct normals, you should not ever have to worry about normals in Dim3. After all, Animator is NOT a modeler.
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: Imon on January 06, 2015, 06:00:09 AM
[] Happens if you build your polygons counter clockwise []

Are you working with C4D?
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: Joseph Girty on January 06, 2015, 02:32:02 PM
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Are you working with C4D?


No. I use truespace mostly also fragmotion.
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: `teh1 on January 06, 2015, 10:39:11 PM
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TrueSpace (styled as trueSpace) was a commercial 3D computer graphics and animation software developed by Caligari Corporation, bought-out by Microsoft. As of May 2009, it has been officially discontinued, but with some 'unofficial support' up to February 2010, at least.
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: Joseph Girty on January 07, 2015, 03:16:53 PM
@teh 1

Not sure what you are saying about truespace ??? but yes, that truespace. It is still available for download. There is still a small community forum for it. http://united3dartists.com/ (http://united3dartists.com/) 

also, many tutorials for it on youtube. It's a great program. ;)
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: Imon on January 08, 2015, 04:37:51 AM
@teh 1

Not sure what you are saying about truespace ??? but yes, that truespace. It is still available for download. There is still a small community forum for it. http://united3dartists.com/ (http://united3dartists.com/) 

also, many tutorials for it on youtube. It's a great program. ;)

6 years are a lot of time when it comes to technological progress, especially with 3d graphics and game development. It's just that you might be much, much faster with software that's up to date. I'd suggest to try something like Maya or C4D. It's not like you'd start from the beginning again. The approach for creating a 3d model is usually the same. Only the workflow is just much, much, much faster and the possibilities are endless. You could try Blender too, it improved a lot recently so it's not that much of a mess anymore
Though, I don't want to talk you out of trueSpace, feel free to use it, if you're honestly comfortable with it. (:
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: c^5 on January 08, 2015, 01:50:00 PM
6 years are a lot of time when it comes to technological progress, especially with 3d graphics and game development. It's just that you might be much, much faster with software that's up to date. I'd suggest to try something like Maya or C4D. It's not like you'd start from the beginning again. The approach for creating a 3d model is usually the same. Only the workflow is just much, much, much faster and the possibilities are endless. You could try Blender too, it improved a lot recently so it's not that much of a mess anymore
Though, I don't want to talk you out of trueSpace, feel free to use it, if you're honestly comfortable with it. (:
If you look into switching but you can't afford Maya or C4D, or don't want to spend money on a modeler right now, blender (http://www.blender.org) is widely used and free. (I haven't used Maya or C4D myself so I can't compare them to blender, it's just nice to have a free option.)
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: Joseph Girty on January 08, 2015, 03:26:37 PM
@ Imon and c^5

Truespace still runs fine on windows 7 and 8. It's a great modeler and i'm very comfortable with it. I'll keep using it til the wheels fall off. Maybe one day i'll use blender.
Title: Re: What are steps 4 char. creation
Post by: Imon on January 09, 2015, 08:49:05 AM
Truespace still runs fine on windows 7 and 8.
That's not the point

It's a great modeler and i'm very comfortable with it. I'll keep using it til the wheels fall off. Maybe one day i'll use blender.
Sure, no problem!
just wanted to explain `teh1's post and point out some better alternatives. Have fun! (: